Comments on: Notes on Logic and Living http://www.shardsofconsciousness.com/2007/04/notes-on-logic-and-living/ Just You and Me - Exploring Pathways To Freedom Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:16:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Rick Cockrum http://www.shardsofconsciousness.com/2007/04/notes-on-logic-and-living/#comment-7255 Rick Cockrum Tue, 01 May 2007 02:28:52 +0000 http://www.shardsofconsciousness.com/2007/04/notes-on-logic-and-living/#comment-7255 You're right, Nneka. It doesn't have the capacity. Sometimes I feel like a man who builds glass walls and thinks that's better than going outside. You’re right, Nneka. It doesn’t have the capacity. Sometimes I feel like a man who builds glass walls and thinks that’s better than going outside.

]]> By: Nneka http://www.shardsofconsciousness.com/2007/04/notes-on-logic-and-living/#comment-7254 Nneka Tue, 01 May 2007 02:14:11 +0000 http://www.shardsofconsciousness.com/2007/04/notes-on-logic-and-living/#comment-7254 Oh Rick, not dense at all. I've given up on having my intellect understand these things. It just doesn't have the capacity while it tries to hold onto everything that it interprets from the outside (books, talks, life, childhood, etc). Oh Rick, not dense at all. I’ve given up on having my intellect understand these things. It just doesn’t have the capacity while it tries to hold onto everything that it interprets from the outside (books, talks, life, childhood, etc).

]]> By: Rick Cockrum http://www.shardsofconsciousness.com/2007/04/notes-on-logic-and-living/#comment-7247 Rick Cockrum Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:16:05 +0000 http://www.shardsofconsciousness.com/2007/04/notes-on-logic-and-living/#comment-7247 Lisa and Nneka, You both put a smile in my heart. Thank you. :-) <i>Be Here Now</i> - If I've ever read the book, I don't remember it, though I can see the cover in my mind. All experience does not come from <b>out there</b>. Direct cognition, the experience beyond time and space, is one of those experiences. From what I've seen, that experience is always there. We have to stop watching the monkeys long enough to experience it. As you say, Nneka, it comes through clearly if we pay attention. But then we ask ourselves, what does it mean? as we try to understand it. All sorts of things get attached to it. As you say, Lisa, we gobble up knowing with the mind, transforming it until it becomes something other than knowing. Or am I being dense? Lisa and Nneka,

You both put a smile in my heart. Thank you. :-)

Be Here Now - If I’ve ever read the book, I don’t remember it, though I can see the cover in my mind.

All experience does not come from out there. Direct cognition, the experience beyond time and space, is one of those experiences. From what I’ve seen, that experience is always there. We have to stop watching the monkeys long enough to experience it. As you say, Nneka, it comes through clearly if we pay attention.

But then we ask ourselves, what does it mean? as we try to understand it. All sorts of things get attached to it. As you say, Lisa, we gobble up knowing with the mind, transforming it until it becomes something other than knowing.

Or am I being dense?

]]> By: Lisa http://www.shardsofconsciousness.com/2007/04/notes-on-logic-and-living/#comment-7246 Lisa Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:29:12 +0000 http://www.shardsofconsciousness.com/2007/04/notes-on-logic-and-living/#comment-7246 Nneka, that's exactly where I was going. I believe there is a beautiful, no time space, where knowing is. When we gobble up knowing with the mind, it transforms, becomes something other than knowing. We have many of these meditative moments in our waking life. They move across the landscape of the soul -- first -- without the mind. Then we make up all kinds of things, like this comment :-) Nneka, that’s exactly where I was going.
I believe there is a beautiful, no time space, where knowing is.
When we gobble up knowing with the mind, it transforms, becomes something other than knowing.

We have many of these meditative moments in our waking life. They move across the landscape of the soul — first — without the mind.

Then we make up all kinds of things, like this comment :-)

]]> By: Nneka http://www.shardsofconsciousness.com/2007/04/notes-on-logic-and-living/#comment-7245 Nneka Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:18:47 +0000 http://www.shardsofconsciousness.com/2007/04/notes-on-logic-and-living/#comment-7245 Hi Rick, I'm have a similar question to Lisa. Where do you place knowing? I understand that we can color intuition from our experience, but Knowing I feel is something different. The kind of Knowing that Ram Dass talks about in Be Here Now. That Knowing that is so deep. It does not come from anything out here, even our experiences. And it comes through purely if we are paying attention. Was I typing a question or a statement? ;-) In Spirit, Nneka Hi Rick, I’m have a similar question to Lisa. Where do you place knowing?

I understand that we can color intuition from our experience, but Knowing I feel is something different. The kind of Knowing that Ram Dass talks about in Be Here Now. That Knowing that is so deep. It does not come from anything out here, even our experiences. And it comes through purely if we are paying attention.

Was I typing a question or a statement? ;-)

In Spirit,
Nneka

]]> By: Thoughts & Philosophies » Truth Has It’s Patterns http://www.shardsofconsciousness.com/2007/04/notes-on-logic-and-living/#comment-7234 Thoughts & Philosophies » Truth Has It’s Patterns Mon, 30 Apr 2007 01:18:38 +0000 http://www.shardsofconsciousness.com/2007/04/notes-on-logic-and-living/#comment-7234 [...] In the words of Rick Cockrum, of Shards of Consciousness, in his post, Notes on Logic and Living: [...] […] In the words of Rick Cockrum, of Shards of Consciousness, in his post, Notes on Logic and Living: […]

]]> By: Rick Cockrum http://www.shardsofconsciousness.com/2007/04/notes-on-logic-and-living/#comment-7223 Rick Cockrum Sun, 29 Apr 2007 05:15:34 +0000 http://www.shardsofconsciousness.com/2007/04/notes-on-logic-and-living/#comment-7223 From one seeker to another :-) From what I've been able to see, intuition is before any kind of logic. I read once that man is rationalizing, not rational. I would say we're a patternizing being. More than induction, more than deduction, we look for patterns, use (or are used by) our imagination as we try to make sense of our world. We see a pattern that seems to fit - the intuition - then create a logic for it. Depending on what material it has to work with or through, the intuition can be right or wrong. Maybe effective or ineffective would be a better way to put it. I still think the intuition comes from experience. It may not be experience that we remember. It may not be experience from this physical life or the physical world, but experience, nonetheless. Even intutions that come from the core are filtered and changed by the contents of our minds as they work their way to awareness. How else explain that the mystical experience, for example, which has common earmarks throughout time and cultures, has been interpreted in so many different ways? From one seeker to another :-)

From what I’ve been able to see, intuition is before any kind of logic. I read once that man is rationalizing, not rational. I would say we’re a patternizing being.

More than induction, more than deduction, we look for patterns, use (or are used by) our imagination as we try to make sense of our world. We see a pattern that seems to fit - the intuition - then create a logic for it. Depending on what material it has to work with or through, the intuition can be right or wrong. Maybe effective or ineffective would be a better way to put it. I still think the intuition comes from experience. It may not be experience that we remember. It may not be experience from this physical life or the physical world, but experience, nonetheless.

Even intutions that come from the core are filtered and changed by the contents of our minds as they work their way to awareness. How else explain that the mystical experience, for example, which has common earmarks throughout time and cultures, has been interpreted in so many different ways?

]]> By: Lisa http://www.shardsofconsciousness.com/2007/04/notes-on-logic-and-living/#comment-7222 Lisa Sun, 29 Apr 2007 04:25:01 +0000 http://www.shardsofconsciousness.com/2007/04/notes-on-logic-and-living/#comment-7222 Rick, there is so much to play with here in this post. Where would you place intuition? Knowing? The kind of knowing that is not related to experience? That deep, inner sense that bubbles up -- not from experience, not from conditioning, but because we're listening to the core? (said the seeker to the seeker ;-) L Rick, there is so much to play with here in this post.

Where would you place intuition? Knowing? The kind of knowing that is not related to experience? That deep, inner sense that bubbles up — not from experience, not from conditioning, but because we’re listening to the core?

(said the seeker to the seeker ;-)

L

]]> By: Live The Power » Joy Links-4/28/07 http://www.shardsofconsciousness.com/2007/04/notes-on-logic-and-living/#comment-7216 Live The Power » Joy Links-4/28/07 Sat, 28 Apr 2007 15:57:57 +0000 http://www.shardsofconsciousness.com/2007/04/notes-on-logic-and-living/#comment-7216 [...] 2. We create our own truth as we create our own realities. But I recognized a truth from a line in this next post “You’ll never change anyone’s heart or mind by proving them wrong”. This post made me think and it made me ponder. Read Rick’s post “Notes on Logic and Living” at Shards of Consciousness. [...] […] 2. We create our own truth as we create our own realities. But I recognized a truth from a line in this next post “You’ll never change anyone’s heart or mind by proving them wrong”. This post made me think and it made me ponder. Read Rick’s post “Notes on Logic and Living” at Shards of Consciousness. […]

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